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	<title>Comments on: Improved budgets</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Lynton</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16590</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lynton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Tanksley.  The current balance is a key necessity of envelopes.  I do envelopes and buxfer has come the closest to allowing me to do this online - but allowing to modify current balance would help so much more!

I'm not giving up on you guys.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Tanksley.  The current balance is a key necessity of envelopes.  I do envelopes and buxfer has come the closest to allowing me to do this online - but allowing to modify current balance would help so much more!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving up on you guys.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Tanksley</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16585</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Tanksley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awn: no. It's also not possible to set a balance in any useful way. I've tried allowing the "limit" to be my desired balance, letting it roll over, and then changing the "limit" to my desired amount; that doesn't work, because changing the "limit" automatically resets the balance.

Really, to make this feature usable, we must be able to edit the "current balance" at the same time that we set the "monthly allowance" for each envelope (and the term "limit" shouldn't be used).

I'm just about ready to disable roll-over; it seems like a really neat idea, but the lack of control over balance makes it worthless. With the loss of rollover, it's looking more and more like new-style "envelope" budgets are an almost total loss (there's absolutely no meaning to "envelopes" that don't have a "current balance").

SO darn close. I really like the "today line". I like every single part of it, except for the seemingly minor lack of "current balance".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awn: no. It&#8217;s also not possible to set a balance in any useful way. I&#8217;ve tried allowing the &#8220;limit&#8221; to be my desired balance, letting it roll over, and then changing the &#8220;limit&#8221; to my desired amount; that doesn&#8217;t work, because changing the &#8220;limit&#8221; automatically resets the balance.</p>
<p>Really, to make this feature usable, we must be able to edit the &#8220;current balance&#8221; at the same time that we set the &#8220;monthly allowance&#8221; for each envelope (and the term &#8220;limit&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be used).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just about ready to disable roll-over; it seems like a really neat idea, but the lack of control over balance makes it worthless. With the loss of rollover, it&#8217;s looking more and more like new-style &#8220;envelope&#8221; budgets are an almost total loss (there&#8217;s absolutely no meaning to &#8220;envelopes&#8221; that don&#8217;t have a &#8220;current balance&#8221;).</p>
<p>SO darn close. I really like the &#8220;today line&#8221;. I like every single part of it, except for the seemingly minor lack of &#8220;current balance&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Awn</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16578</link>
		<dc:creator>Awn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to have an initial balance for your budget when starting for the first time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to have an initial balance for your budget when starting for the first time?</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Tanksley</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16571</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Tanksley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline, I suspect you might find it easier to work with the old-style budgets; they can have start dates, and really, they're more appropriate for measuring burn rates. I'm still working out what the new budgets are good for... I like them, but without the ability to distribute the current balance among envelopes they're REALLY hard to use.

One thing that helps: try just setting up envelopes for the categories you NEED to control, and use the "Projections" report to control the rest. Just set up "Bill Reminders" for your paycheck (as Income, of course), and for all your yearly and monthly bills; then run a Projections report, starting tomorrow and running for 3-12 months (warning: never set the start date to earlier than tomorrow, the report produces complete gibberish). I then computed my average daily spending for everything EXCEPT my yearly and monthly bills and entered a "Bill Reminder" for that (occurring every day, you'll probably want to turn off email reminders).

And bingo, the Projections report became useful. Later on I broke things down on an account-by-account basis so that I can use the Projections report to see when any specific account will be in danger.

There are tons of things to watch out for with the Projections... It can't tell when a Bill Warning hasn't actually been paid, so it'll look like you have more money than you actually do. It won't include "Pending" transactions in the past (like checks that haven't been cashed yet). And as I mentioned, if you put its start date earlier than tomorrow it'll be nonsense, and if you set it too far in the future it doesn't have enough data to be reliable (both could be fixed, but I've no doubt there are more urgent things). But in general, it works very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline, I suspect you might find it easier to work with the old-style budgets; they can have start dates, and really, they&#8217;re more appropriate for measuring burn rates. I&#8217;m still working out what the new budgets are good for&#8230; I like them, but without the ability to distribute the current balance among envelopes they&#8217;re REALLY hard to use.</p>
<p>One thing that helps: try just setting up envelopes for the categories you NEED to control, and use the &#8220;Projections&#8221; report to control the rest. Just set up &#8220;Bill Reminders&#8221; for your paycheck (as Income, of course), and for all your yearly and monthly bills; then run a Projections report, starting tomorrow and running for 3-12 months (warning: never set the start date to earlier than tomorrow, the report produces complete gibberish). I then computed my average daily spending for everything EXCEPT my yearly and monthly bills and entered a &#8220;Bill Reminder&#8221; for that (occurring every day, you&#8217;ll probably want to turn off email reminders).</p>
<p>And bingo, the Projections report became useful. Later on I broke things down on an account-by-account basis so that I can use the Projections report to see when any specific account will be in danger.</p>
<p>There are tons of things to watch out for with the Projections&#8230; It can&#8217;t tell when a Bill Warning hasn&#8217;t actually been paid, so it&#8217;ll look like you have more money than you actually do. It won&#8217;t include &#8220;Pending&#8221; transactions in the past (like checks that haven&#8217;t been cashed yet). And as I mentioned, if you put its start date earlier than tomorrow it&#8217;ll be nonsense, and if you set it too far in the future it doesn&#8217;t have enough data to be reliable (both could be fixed, but I&#8217;ve no doubt there are more urgent things). But in general, it works very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16570</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just wondering if it is possible to adjust budget dates so that they are not constrained to a 1st through to 31st treatment.... I get paid on the 23rd of each month and I like to set my budget to run from the 23rd through to the 22nd of the following month....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering if it is possible to adjust budget dates so that they are not constrained to a 1st through to 31st treatment&#8230;. I get paid on the 23rd of each month and I like to set my budget to run from the 23rd through to the 22nd of the following month&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Tanksley</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-16062</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Tanksley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About negative balances: I don't have a solution... I'm not getting much use out of the new budgets yet, but I think they're very promising.

Please may we be allowed to edit the current balance as well as the monthly "limit"? I think this would do the most toward making the envelopes immediately useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About negative balances: I don&#8217;t have a solution&#8230; I&#8217;m not getting much use out of the new budgets yet, but I think they&#8217;re very promising.</p>
<p>Please may we be allowed to edit the current balance as well as the monthly &#8220;limit&#8221;? I think this would do the most toward making the envelopes immediately useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Yadwiner</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-15896</link>
		<dc:creator>Yadwiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can i roll over negative balances also</description>
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		<title>By: ms</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-15554</link>
		<dc:creator>ms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU DREW THE LITTLE LINE!  I'm in love with that little line, representing the day of the current month, to help me gage whether I am spending within my average means.  This was the ONLY reason I still wandered over to Mint every couple of weeks, and I remember sending Buxfer a note suggesting it.  So cool to see popular requests become a reality within a short period of time - This site is really about pleasing the users, I love it!

Bye bye, Mint!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU DREW THE LITTLE LINE!  I&#8217;m in love with that little line, representing the day of the current month, to help me gage whether I am spending within my average means.  This was the ONLY reason I still wandered over to Mint every couple of weeks, and I remember sending Buxfer a note suggesting it.  So cool to see popular requests become a reality within a short period of time - This site is really about pleasing the users, I love it!</p>
<p>Bye bye, Mint!</p>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-15408</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!! The budgeting looks pretty much perfect now. Well, except maybe one tiny thing... Will there be a way to set a "starting balance" from the moment I create a budget? Or a starting date? I started using Buxfer in August, and have saved/spent in/from a number of budgets and I have no idea how to make Buxfer reflect the current total using.

Let's say I put aside 75 aside for clothing each month, starting in August. In November I have put aside a total of 300. In August and October I spent 50 and 90 respectively, so at the end of November there should be 160  my clothing budget.  How do I make the budget display this left-over amount in my budget/envelope?

I understand that the roll-over will only take effect from today. That's no problem, but a starting budget would give the app an amount to roll over *from*, rather than just zero. Any chance of this feature, or perhaps a workaround?

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!! The budgeting looks pretty much perfect now. Well, except maybe one tiny thing&#8230; Will there be a way to set a &#8220;starting balance&#8221; from the moment I create a budget? Or a starting date? I started using Buxfer in August, and have saved/spent in/from a number of budgets and I have no idea how to make Buxfer reflect the current total using.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I put aside 75 aside for clothing each month, starting in August. In November I have put aside a total of 300. In August and October I spent 50 and 90 respectively, so at the end of November there should be 160  my clothing budget.  How do I make the budget display this left-over amount in my budget/envelope?</p>
<p>I understand that the roll-over will only take effect from today. That&#8217;s no problem, but a starting budget would give the app an amount to roll over *from*, rather than just zero. Any chance of this feature, or perhaps a workaround?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://www.buxfer.com/blog/2008/10/30/improved-envelope-budgets/#comment-15367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this feature. It's simple, and let us follow our budgets at a glance. We're using it for monthly budgeting (with rollover for some tags, so we can save for more expensive items), with tags such as 'software &#38; media', 'eating out', and 'games'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this feature. It&#8217;s simple, and let us follow our budgets at a glance. We&#8217;re using it for monthly budgeting (with rollover for some tags, so we can save for more expensive items), with tags such as &#8217;software &amp; media&#8217;, &#8216;eating out&#8217;, and &#8216;games&#8217;.</p>
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